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		<title>By: cloften</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I went back.  Check it out here:  http://www.cloften.com/?p=1013</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I went back.  Check it out here:  <a href="http://www.cloften.com/?p=1013" rel="nofollow">http://www.cloften.com/?p=1013</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the last comment.  I was hoping to delete it, but no such luck here.  It was biting and rude.  I do apologize.  I told you I was depraved. Sorry again.    :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the last comment.  I was hoping to delete it, but no such luck here.  It was biting and rude.  I do apologize.  I told you I was depraved. Sorry again.    <img src='http://www.cloften.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, for the record, pearls to swine is a reference of Jesus&#039; about Him having mercy on those outside of the nation of Israel, so.....unless you are a Jew, you are a pig Peter.

Heidi, for the record, I love that little comment.  Oh, and by the way, this little response comes from a guy who is depraved, beaten down, sinful, and lost without Jesus.

My whole point in my original comment was not to instruct Charlie on dining rituals or manners in a public forum.  I was trying to suggest that we lose focus of the BIG PICTURE!  We get caught up in our little world of the &quot;Christ-Life&quot; and we have no eyes for the hurt in the everyday people we are in contact with.  When we find ourselves angry with people who have no clue what God is about, I think we need to check ourselves if we claim to be Christ followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, for the record, pearls to swine is a reference of Jesus&#8217; about Him having mercy on those outside of the nation of Israel, so&#8230;..unless you are a Jew, you are a pig Peter.</p>
<p>Heidi, for the record, I love that little comment.  Oh, and by the way, this little response comes from a guy who is depraved, beaten down, sinful, and lost without Jesus.</p>
<p>My whole point in my original comment was not to instruct Charlie on dining rituals or manners in a public forum.  I was trying to suggest that we lose focus of the BIG PICTURE!  We get caught up in our little world of the &#8220;Christ-Life&#8221; and we have no eyes for the hurt in the everyday people we are in contact with.  When we find ourselves angry with people who have no clue what God is about, I think we need to check ourselves if we claim to be Christ followers.</p>
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		<title>By: rg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Peter and Heidi, I guess you know Charlie better than I do. Don&#039;t have that t-shirt yet. The point is..I don&#039;t know Charlie - but I do have a lot of experience with nearly getting run over by the guy or gal in the car with the fish symbol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Peter and Heidi, I guess you know Charlie better than I do. Don&#8217;t have that t-shirt yet. The point is..I don&#8217;t know Charlie &#8211; but I do have a lot of experience with nearly getting run over by the guy or gal in the car with the fish symbol.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi M</title>
		<link>http://www.cloften.com/?p=993&#038;cpage=1#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we have here, commenters, is a classic case of taking partial ideas out of context, and thus creating a whole new and unintended conclusion.  

First.  Consider the source.  We know Charlie.  He wants to be more like Christ and he loves people including those who are yet to become believers in Christ, those hurting, and everyone God brings.  

Second. This story has a point.  Did you miss the point because you were so busy being irritated by something about the story that was NOT the point?

Third.  This same real life example could also be used to wonder about the the lives of those who are hurting.  But, today, Charlie used it to drive a different point.

Fourth.  What should Charlie have done differently?  Should he hop behind the counter and give them a hug?  How about show them how to do their job?  How about sit them each down for a little heart to heart?  Seriously.  I think being pleasant and courteous to these folks was exactly what he should have done!  Again, back to point one:  We know Charlie.  If one of these folks made eye contact and had a bit of openness, Charlie would have engaged the person and possibly had a pastoring moment.  There was no spiritual moment to be had!

And, this little comment comes from a gal whose heart beats fast, prayers lifted up, and feet move for the poor and hurting people in our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we have here, commenters, is a classic case of taking partial ideas out of context, and thus creating a whole new and unintended conclusion.  </p>
<p>First.  Consider the source.  We know Charlie.  He wants to be more like Christ and he loves people including those who are yet to become believers in Christ, those hurting, and everyone God brings.  </p>
<p>Second. This story has a point.  Did you miss the point because you were so busy being irritated by something about the story that was NOT the point?</p>
<p>Third.  This same real life example could also be used to wonder about the the lives of those who are hurting.  But, today, Charlie used it to drive a different point.</p>
<p>Fourth.  What should Charlie have done differently?  Should he hop behind the counter and give them a hug?  How about show them how to do their job?  How about sit them each down for a little heart to heart?  Seriously.  I think being pleasant and courteous to these folks was exactly what he should have done!  Again, back to point one:  We know Charlie.  If one of these folks made eye contact and had a bit of openness, Charlie would have engaged the person and possibly had a pastoring moment.  There was no spiritual moment to be had!</p>
<p>And, this little comment comes from a gal whose heart beats fast, prayers lifted up, and feet move for the poor and hurting people in our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Freund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Freund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to what Matt and RG have said, I suppose one could take these two statements as contradictory in some way:

1. &quot;It was not my usual local hangout and will not come here again.&quot;

and


2. &quot;You are not too good, too special to do even the smallest of tasks.  God has called each of us to be servants.&quot;

However, such is the nature of communication that there are many possible interpretations. First of all, Charlie was commenting as a &#039;fly on the wall&#039; about the lack of manners and working environment of the place. Second, by choosing not to go to the same restaurant, this doesn&#039;t necessarily indicate an attitude of superiority or a situation of missed opportunity (to be a servant) in the future. If a service is poor, then why continue to use that service? Some people go out to eat for the meal. Others go out to eat just to be waited upon (i..e for the service). Still others go out to eat for the experience of both. For myself, it&#039;s all about the food. So, unless the waiter starts yelling at me, I&#039;m good if the food is good. But, for others, the serving of the food and the food itself are all wrapped up together. If so, then maybe Charlie is just saying that the restaurant isn&#039;t really doing it&#039;s job. If it isn&#039;t, then all things being equal, why not go somewhere else that is doing its job?

I think the only real (or the most important) question is whether a person would be &#039;willing&#039; to continue to go to a place like that and serve them or perhaps be an example to them, to help change things. Clearly, I cannot imagine that Charlie would NOT be. In fact, he seems to indicate this above. Almost any situation could present itself as an opportunity to tough it out and be a good model for others. But, even the Bible tells us not to throw our pearls to swine. So, we have to choose our &quot;battles&quot; (in the good sense of the word, if there is one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to what Matt and RG have said, I suppose one could take these two statements as contradictory in some way:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;It was not my usual local hangout and will not come here again.&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2. &#8220;You are not too good, too special to do even the smallest of tasks.  God has called each of us to be servants.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, such is the nature of communication that there are many possible interpretations. First of all, Charlie was commenting as a &#8216;fly on the wall&#8217; about the lack of manners and working environment of the place. Second, by choosing not to go to the same restaurant, this doesn&#8217;t necessarily indicate an attitude of superiority or a situation of missed opportunity (to be a servant) in the future. If a service is poor, then why continue to use that service? Some people go out to eat for the meal. Others go out to eat just to be waited upon (i..e for the service). Still others go out to eat for the experience of both. For myself, it&#8217;s all about the food. So, unless the waiter starts yelling at me, I&#8217;m good if the food is good. But, for others, the serving of the food and the food itself are all wrapped up together. If so, then maybe Charlie is just saying that the restaurant isn&#8217;t really doing it&#8217;s job. If it isn&#8217;t, then all things being equal, why not go somewhere else that is doing its job?</p>
<p>I think the only real (or the most important) question is whether a person would be &#8216;willing&#8217; to continue to go to a place like that and serve them or perhaps be an example to them, to help change things. Clearly, I cannot imagine that Charlie would NOT be. In fact, he seems to indicate this above. Almost any situation could present itself as an opportunity to tough it out and be a good model for others. But, even the Bible tells us not to throw our pearls to swine. So, we have to choose our &#8220;battles&#8221; (in the good sense of the word, if there is one).</p>
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		<title>By: cloften</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloften</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love hearing your hearts for people.  I love that you guys see different angles of the story.  The fact that you guys look at this through the eyes of what hurt would lead people to have a bad attitude at work is great.  What if anything should I have done differently?  I think it is also good for us to ask ourselves when are we the people behind the counter.  When do I view my job, or role as a spouse/parent/in church as I only do what I HAVE to do?  &quot;Washing clothes is my wife&#039;s job.&quot;  &quot;I&#039;m not picking up after him.&quot; Pastors are notorious for this, thus Jesus use of Priests in the Good Samaritan story.  &quot;I&#039;m to busy being a pastor to help someone carry something, hold a baby, pick up the trash.&quot;  You guys are great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love hearing your hearts for people.  I love that you guys see different angles of the story.  The fact that you guys look at this through the eyes of what hurt would lead people to have a bad attitude at work is great.  What if anything should I have done differently?  I think it is also good for us to ask ourselves when are we the people behind the counter.  When do I view my job, or role as a spouse/parent/in church as I only do what I HAVE to do?  &#8220;Washing clothes is my wife&#8217;s job.&#8221;  &#8220;I&#8217;m not picking up after him.&#8221; Pastors are notorious for this, thus Jesus use of Priests in the Good Samaritan story.  &#8220;I&#8217;m to busy being a pastor to help someone carry something, hold a baby, pick up the trash.&#8221;  You guys are great!</p>
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		<title>By: rg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Matt. Far too many &quot;saved&quot; have long forgotten what it is like to be lost. In so doing, we hook up with the other church guys who either &quot;pass on by&quot; or rationalize the dead or dying on our journeys (Luke 10)...how do we get to a place where we see hurting people as disruptions, obstacles or impediments to our spiritual pace or religious destination!? Wow. Giving that some thought will lend credence to my unbelieving friend&#039;s cynicism and lack of trust where religious people are concerned.

I am reminded of some stuff Jesus said that is recorded in Matthew 23..there are even some specific comments about treatment &quot;in the marketplace&quot; (NIV). Pretty sobering and convicting stuff for receptive believers.

Back to Luke 10...as someone who has found himself left for dead on the side of the road more than once, I am thankful for the Samaritans. Their logic is, at times, more compassionate and practical than many a church-goer&#039;s willingness or initiative or response. To me, it&#039;s pretty scary to consider that apathy seems to be a real issue the &quot;saved&quot; will struggle with...hmmm.  

As for the scenerio Charlie narrated...I&#039;ve been in the shoes of each person he mentioned in his story. Seems to me, in that scene, only one person had an answer that would address the silent roar of nonverbal questions. If Thoreau - &quot;MOST (emphasis mine) lead lives of silent desperation&quot; - was even halfway right, then shouldn&#039;t disciples be accustomed to engaging people in despair?

May we never be too caught up in ourselves that we are deaf, dumb or numb to the cries of others. Sorry, Charlie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Matt. Far too many &#8220;saved&#8221; have long forgotten what it is like to be lost. In so doing, we hook up with the other church guys who either &#8220;pass on by&#8221; or rationalize the dead or dying on our journeys (Luke 10)&#8230;how do we get to a place where we see hurting people as disruptions, obstacles or impediments to our spiritual pace or religious destination!? Wow. Giving that some thought will lend credence to my unbelieving friend&#8217;s cynicism and lack of trust where religious people are concerned.</p>
<p>I am reminded of some stuff Jesus said that is recorded in Matthew 23..there are even some specific comments about treatment &#8220;in the marketplace&#8221; (NIV). Pretty sobering and convicting stuff for receptive believers.</p>
<p>Back to Luke 10&#8230;as someone who has found himself left for dead on the side of the road more than once, I am thankful for the Samaritans. Their logic is, at times, more compassionate and practical than many a church-goer&#8217;s willingness or initiative or response. To me, it&#8217;s pretty scary to consider that apathy seems to be a real issue the &#8220;saved&#8221; will struggle with&#8230;hmmm.  </p>
<p>As for the scenerio Charlie narrated&#8230;I&#8217;ve been in the shoes of each person he mentioned in his story. Seems to me, in that scene, only one person had an answer that would address the silent roar of nonverbal questions. If Thoreau &#8211; &#8220;MOST (emphasis mine) lead lives of silent desperation&#8221; &#8211; was even halfway right, then shouldn&#8217;t disciples be accustomed to engaging people in despair?</p>
<p>May we never be too caught up in ourselves that we are deaf, dumb or numb to the cries of others. Sorry, Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Loftin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Loftin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Charlie! I could totally relate to your blog ~ I feel like I am getting old or something because I keep thinking what happened? This isn&#039;t how it use to be. :) I will share a moment that I still remember from FOUR years ago. I wanted to write an article about it and I would have called it &quot;The Kingdom of God at Taco Bell.&quot; I had had an awful, draining day. The people working the drive through were upbeat, joked, treated me like a human, smiled, had all the things needed to eat in the bag (napkins, hot sauce, straws), the order was right ~ it was so special. And I felt totally ministered to, like I had just been served by Jesus. Sometimes Taco Bell service is better than (insert big ministry name here) service. I am not saying that to hate on ministries. I am just saying sometimes we need Jesus just as much at Taco Bell as at church. Everybody wherever we work/are is playing an integral part in the kingdom of God. @Charlie again: The question on whether to go there again, that is when we have to be led by the spirit. Sometimes the answer is &quot;yes&quot; but not in a legalistic way...in a walking with Jesus sort of way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Charlie! I could totally relate to your blog ~ I feel like I am getting old or something because I keep thinking what happened? This isn&#8217;t how it use to be. <img src='http://www.cloften.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I will share a moment that I still remember from FOUR years ago. I wanted to write an article about it and I would have called it &#8220;The Kingdom of God at Taco Bell.&#8221; I had had an awful, draining day. The people working the drive through were upbeat, joked, treated me like a human, smiled, had all the things needed to eat in the bag (napkins, hot sauce, straws), the order was right ~ it was so special. And I felt totally ministered to, like I had just been served by Jesus. Sometimes Taco Bell service is better than (insert big ministry name here) service. I am not saying that to hate on ministries. I am just saying sometimes we need Jesus just as much at Taco Bell as at church. Everybody wherever we work/are is playing an integral part in the kingdom of God. @Charlie again: The question on whether to go there again, that is when we have to be led by the spirit. Sometimes the answer is &#8220;yes&#8221; but not in a legalistic way&#8230;in a walking with Jesus sort of way.</p>
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		<title>By: cloften</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloften</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept the point that my attitude is everything.  I smiled at the girl that was upset and thanked her for her service.  I also never mentioned which place it was, my goal was/is not to run them out of business with the power that I have over literally no one.  I picked up my trash, cleaned my area and walked out.

However, I do reserve the right to observe life around me and use them as teachable moments, even if the life that I observe around me is a negative example.  I would never intentionally throw someone or business under the bus by calling them out by name, but I don&#039;t have a problem with using bad examples from true life, like Jesus did with the Pharisees, or in made up stories (parables) like the priests from the Good Samaritan.  

The other question that was raised here is now that I have gotten terrible service at a restaurant that was not clean and with spotty internet service, am I now obligated to go back there under the heading of ministry?  Or am I free to say that was not a great environment for me to work in the mornings, I&#039;ll go somewhere else?  Thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept the point that my attitude is everything.  I smiled at the girl that was upset and thanked her for her service.  I also never mentioned which place it was, my goal was/is not to run them out of business with the power that I have over literally no one.  I picked up my trash, cleaned my area and walked out.</p>
<p>However, I do reserve the right to observe life around me and use them as teachable moments, even if the life that I observe around me is a negative example.  I would never intentionally throw someone or business under the bus by calling them out by name, but I don&#8217;t have a problem with using bad examples from true life, like Jesus did with the Pharisees, or in made up stories (parables) like the priests from the Good Samaritan.  </p>
<p>The other question that was raised here is now that I have gotten terrible service at a restaurant that was not clean and with spotty internet service, am I now obligated to go back there under the heading of ministry?  Or am I free to say that was not a great environment for me to work in the mornings, I&#8217;ll go somewhere else?  Thoughts&#8230;</p>
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